Fast & Furious movies have so much nonsense & bullshit in them

[Sethioz]

i've watched all the fast and furious franchise movies, including the ones that don't have obvious title, like "hobbs and shaw".
even tho they're watchable, there's just so many cringe moments that make absolutely no sense.
i don't know why they make movies for retards with no brain, because from my point of view, those unrealistic idiotic things ruin the experience and immersion.

here's a list of dumb things that i can think of from back of my head:

Car catches fire and N20 explodes:
first of, NOS aka N20 aka Nitrous Oxide is NOT flammable gas, however N20 tanks are pressurized just like any other gas tank. gas is stored in liquid form, which means high pressure.
so technically it can "explode", but it's not the gas that explodes, it's the pressurized tank.
however there are two big "problems" with that scene:

1. all gas tanks that are designed to hold any kind of liquid gas, have a pressure release valve. if pressure gets too high, valve will release the pressure safely. this can be seen in several mythbusters episodes, where they tried to get some kind of container to explode, but it just wouldn't due the safety valve that releases pressure, they had to remove or sabotage the valve to allow pressure build up.

2. let's assume the tank had faulty valve or it got damaged in fire itself and then pressure started to build, even then, if it would burst, it would not throw the car into air like shown in the movies. it would rip part of the car apart like a bomb. in fact most likely it would put out rest of the fire due insane shockwave.

there was another scene in 4th part i think, which was even worse nonsense. it was the one where Dominic was infiltrating that smuggler gang. movie shows how Dom turns on NOS and then pushes the cigarette lighter in, then car explodes ... this will NEVER happen in real life, because N20 is NOT flammable. you can expose it to naked flame and nothing happens.

reason WHY N20 is used in cars to make them go faster, is not because it's flammable, but because it contains more oxygen than air. injecting N20 will allow more oxygen to enter the combustion chamber and therefore the explosion is bigger. You can read more about how N20 engines work here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide_engine

i just can't believe those idiot movie makers never looked up FACTS .. or are they doing it so that if some idiot kid copies something from movie, then it wouldn't work?



Granny shifting, not double clutching:
this is yet another horse shit, double-clutching is only necessary on some jurassic vehicles that have non-synchronous transmission / gearbox. i will call it NST for short, mostly NSTs were used in 50s and 60s, after 70s almost all cars with manual gearbox had synchronous gearbox, which does not require double-clutching.
usually some industrial machines or semis might use NST, but all the cars they used in the movies had synchronous gearbox that doesn't require double clutching.
those idiots probably heard the term and thought it's a cool thing to throw into the mix.
i have seen some idiots talk about it being necessary in racing, but again, it's WRONG. maybe on some old racecars, but as a racer myself, i have NEVER heard anyone mention it, ever.
in modern racing schools, they never teach such thing either, because even old racecars had synchronous gearboxes.
in other words, double-clutching is only necessary if vehicle uses some old jurassic era gearbox.
it's kind of like comparing LED monitor to CRT.
or comparing modern smart phone to some brick from 90s, both are same type of product, but totally different, one is obsolete, while other is modern.


QUICK! get out of the (bat)cave!:
i might be wrong about which movie it was in, but it's the one with smugglers using those tunnels between mexican -- USA border.
supposedly they had to drive fast to prevent cameras from capturing them. this is so retarded, that i just have no words ... but i try to explain anyways:

1. cameras don't move like in movies, they have cameras covering entire area, not 1 camera that rotates and has gaps in it. but let's say USA is very poor and they have 1 rotating camera covering bigger area, so they're saving on cameras. so this might be plausible.. but they got caught on cameras anyways, so what was the point?

2. so they're using those hidden tunnels with some hidden gate/door and then they're like "QUICK YOU HAVE NO TIME LEFT YOU HAVE TO GET OUT NOWWWW!!!!!"
...umm .. so WHY?? if they're HIDDEN TUNNELS, why do they have to get out FAST? why not just WAIT til border control helicopters search the area and leave? instead they are racing towards the helicopters ... what's the point? just stay in the fucking tunnels you brainless imbeciles... wait til helicopters are gone, wait til cameras are turned away and then leave?


Why not use full acceleration??:
so .. they're suppose to be some kind of tough expert racers ... but almost in every movie, they show how they're racing for their life, but they're not using full acceleration?! WHY?
i refer to those scenes where they are nose to nose and then they show how one of them is like "seee yaaaa" and pushes accelerator pedal from like 50% to 100% ... what is this clown fiesta suppose to be?
when i'm racing someone, i put pedal to the metal at all times, unless car has no TCS (traction control system) so i have to manually manage traction, but this is only necessary in super powerful cars and only when coming out of a corner or when taking off from starting line, otherwise you use full throttle all the time.
there's just so many of those stupid scenes, where they show how someone keeps pushing the pedal harder and harder ... this is so dumb.
i don't think any of them had ever been to a real race before.
i mean the idiot who crashed and killed himself and paul walker is proof of that ... just some hot-head imbecile who didn't know how to drive.
as they say ... money doesn't buy brains.


Save the NOS!:
once again, none of those idiots know how racing cars work, more importantly how N20 injection works. why do they imagine that 1 big bottle of NOS would run out within 1-2 seconds? how retarded are they?
if you want to empty entire tank in 1-2 seconds, it would be more like an explosion!
i had a BMW 750 with NOS, i forgot, but i think it was 5kg N20 tank. it lasted me YEARS!
altho i wasn't racing regularly. sometimes i went to some drag racing events and rarely to local racetrack and just for the "kick" of it, i used some NOS (and sometimes to show off :)

but in movies .. they show that one tanks runs out in 1-2 seconds. specially in the 2nd movie, where they're like "ok let's save nos for the way back" .. it was the short race around the barrel vs those muscle cars.
that entire nos tank would have lasted several races. it highly depends on the mix ratio and whetever its dry shot or wet shot, but 5kg bottle would easily last 20 races when spraying for entire race.
in more powerful cars, like those special drag racing cars with like 1500hp+ engines, a 5kg bottle would last around 60-80 seconds when constantly spraying.
ones they used in movies are anywhere between 5-10kg, judging from the size alone. i don't remember seeing any exact numbers on them, but you can probably see them on some movies or just look up the tanks they used and see their capacity.

so this nonsense about saving the NOS is stupid, because those tanks would last a lot more. so this "too soon junior" is complete nonsense .. they try to make it sound like those guys are experts, but they're nothing more than rednecks talking trash about things they don't understand. any real expert (like me) is laughing and FACEPALMING 1000x when watching those movies and hearing them talk nonsense.


Car being dragged by tank:
again i forgot which movie it was, 5th or 6th? it's the one with the tank on highway. so they anchor the car to tank's barrel and ram the car over the edge of bridge, but if you look at the bridge, you can see there are concrete pillars between 2 lanes, so where does the cable and car go??? how did the car "ghost" thru the concrete pillar in middle of the bridge?
i remember watching it the first time and i thought car is gonna hit the concrete pillar and it's gonna de-balance the tank and it gets pulled towards the middle and it falls off, but instead it did some 180 flip ...
you would need minimum of 10 cables to be able to yank a tank like it's chiuaua ... tanks are not made of paper, you can't just yank it over with some thin cable, cable would break or worst case, barrel would break off, but tank probably wouldn't even budge, it might change its direction a little bit depending on surface its driving on, but i doubt it. tanks weight over 30 tons easily, that 900kg car would do nothing to it.


CARS DON'T FLY!:
some of the first movies weren't too bad, like in the 2nd movie where they made that jump from the bridge and 2 out of 3 cars took some damage, that was quite good, altho the jump was way too big, in real life cars would have broken way more than some bumper or wheel damage, you'd have mangled mess if cars wasn't specially reinforced for the jump and Brian's skyline didn't have a scratch on .. that's still nonsense.
but in later movies ... it's so stupid how cars fly left and right, taking no damage at all.
i have nothing against cool car scenes, but stupid is stupid ... i remember some of the old 007 movies, in one of them Bond jumped his car across a bridge and did sideways 360, now that was amazing, because there was NO CGI used, in those times CGI didn't even exist, they actually made that jump, but in FnF franchise all they did is used CGI, specially in the later ones made after 2010, just non stop CGI where cars don't break.
in my eyes, it ruins the movie, it doesn't make it more interesting. if you gonna do some crazy jumps, make them realistic or at least make a story that they have specially modified their cars to withstand jumps, show them adding some kind of suspension-bottom that has big titanium plate with suspension on it and wheels having extra suspension aswell to soften the impact.


DRIFT TO WIN:
this is issue in most movies, but i refer to tokyo drift, the end scene. i get that drift cars are specially designed and they're not meant for normal driving, they have special suspension, their wheels turn almost 90 degrees and they also have special tyres that make it easier for them to slide and rim to tyre ratio is bigger (rims are bigger, tyres smaller). all this to make drifting smooth and easy to control.
but in the end scene, they were racing to finish line, so why the fuck do they drift for???
if i had to race someone on such mountain roads, i would go for slick or semi-slick tyres with decent amount of downforce.
drifting is for shows only, drifting does NOT get you thru a corner faster than following perfect race-line.
some idiots might say "but rally cars drift!!!" .. NO, they don't drift, they power-slide and it's only effective when car has more grip going sideways than straight.
reason why rally cars power-slide on dirt, gravel, snow and other loose surfaces, is because of their special tyres.
when you drive on dirt/gravel/snow, it's compacted and you have less grip when driving straight, but if your car starts to slide, then tyres will "bite" into the ground due the fact that ground is soft and this gives additional grip. rally car tyres are specially designed for this, in fact power-sliding with wrong tyres might not get you thru corner faster, specially if you're doing it on icy or snowy road with normal tyres.
special rally snow and ice tyres have tungsten studs in them, which greatly improve grip.

but if you look at racing cars, they DO NOT power-slide nor do they drift. look at street-tuned racecars, touring cars, GT cars, formula 1 ..etc. they don't "drift", because drifting is for show-off only.

scene where they were running from the yakuza might be plausible due the fact that their cars were "drift spec", but the end scene was total horse shit .. it's kind of like "life and death" situation and instead of racing, they're showing off?? idiots...
also their cars weren't drift spec, you can tell by the suspension and tyres. look up drift spec car images, you see what i mean. they have very high camber angle, it looks almost as if suspension is broken and wheels are tilted. that's how you recognize a drift-spec car (or broken suspension), but also look at tyres, they have certain pattern.
i might be wrong about tyres, i think some of them did look like drift tyres, but anyway that last scene was stupid.


Indestructible cars?!:
in pretty much every movie, their cars are like tanks or made out of some alien material. in tokyo drift, where that hot head plows thru some construction site, driving thru a house ... what is that shit? in real life, you'd be dead or seriously injured if you smashed thru a house. those wooden beams are almost as strong as a tree, have you ever seen a car wrapped around tree? it's like driving thru a small forest and he doesn't even have as much as broken bumper ... so stupid. not only he drove thru the building without taking damage, he went thru building faster than that viper drove on the road.

one idiotic scene was with the plane, where Dom jumped thru the cockpit of a plane with car ... never going to happen, plane's structure is way too strong for such stunt, specially if car has almost no room to accelerate.

other scene was from fast five, where Hobbs drove his armored vehicle thru the stop-bollards .. never going to happen, cuz those pollars are designed to stop heavy vehicles. look up real clips on youtube where they test those bollards, it can stop a speeding truck dead in its tracks.
that APC he was driving is no more than 10 tons and it would easily be stopped by those stop bollards.
in fact a single bollard can stop a truck going at highway speed, there's no way you can drive 10 ton APC thru those bollards, whole idea of those bollards is to prevent this, they're not there for cars only, they're there to prevent terrorists from getting thru with vehicles and guess what? they have thought about people using HEAVY vehicles to try and break thru, this isn't going to happen. maybe a tank could break thru, but i think not. tank has enough weight and power, but tank also has sloped front end, it would most likely climb on top of the bollards and get stuck on its bottom.

Shifting automatic transmission in mid-race:
what is this even? there was one scene in tokyo drift, same scene as mentioned above. he had automatic and he keeps shifting it in mid-race.
if i remember right, Dom's charger was also automatic and he also shifted in mid-race.
WHAT are they fucking shifting??? you don't shift automatic in mid-race. those 1 and 2 are slow gears, designed for "sticky" situations, like if you're stuck or driving thru low traction surface, like mud or snow, it's meant so that if your wheels start to spin, then it wouldn't constantly shift up/down, but instead it would remain in 1st or 2nd gear.
that's literally what 1 and 2 mean on automatic transmission, 1 means that you remain in 1st gear at all times, it's good for climbing or descending steep hills. 2 keeps your car in 2nd gear at all times, this is useful if you need less power, like if you're on ice and wheels start to spin too easily, but honestly i see no point in that, because you can manually just apply less acceleration, maybe it's for idiots who have heavy foot and don't know how to regulate acceleration properly? ... or some trolls with huge feet, so they press everything at once?
either way, what are those idiots shifting the automatic for?
...and they call them "experts"... real expert only laugh at such stupidity.

Spin wheels to win:
why do they think that spinning wheels gives you more traction??
mostly in fast five, when they were dragging that safe.
there's no way 2 cars could pull a safe out of a concrete wall .. or well maybe, considering that it took place in puerto rico .. or was it mexico? i forgot, but it was some poor place, so i wouldn't be surprised if it was half-cocked work.
anyway, they show how they keep hitting the nitros and how car's front end rises .. how stupid is that?
the faster your wheels spin, the less traction you have!! are they that stupid? .. well yes, they are ...
i see this kind of stupidity all the time when people get stuck in snow, ice or mud. they think that going FULL acceleration gives them better traction ... they're morons with 0 common sense.
if your car wheels start to spin (slide on surface), then you have already lost traction and accelerating more will only cause further traction loss. so using nitrous and accelerating more, will only wear out your tyres and nothing else.
maybe it might add slight boost when tyres get really hot, but that it would be insignificant. you get much more traction when wheels are on edge of starting to slide/spin.
it's same principle as with disk cutter. if you have one, unplug it and hold the lock button down so it won't spin, then drag it across the surface you are about to cut, see how much traction it has. then spin it up and try to drag it again, it has almost no traction, instead it starts to cut the material. that's exactly same principle with car tyres. faster you spin, the less traction you have.

altho if you're stuck on ice, then keeping your wheels spinning for a while can cause ice to melt and you'd eventually dig down to ground, so if ice is not to thick, then it's reasonable tactic. i used it myself once, i was completely stuck on a slight slope, but i kept wheels spinning with around 3000rpm, so it's basically same as driving and on ice there's no risk of blowing your tyres out either, but it did slowly eat thru the ice and eventually i had enough tarmac exposed that i was able to nudge free.


Robbing the trucks:
right from the first part, why do they play clowns? why do they do those stupid stunts on a truck for?
if i was gonna hijack a truck and i had the kind of tools/money they had, i'd do it with single car. get a multi-purpose grenade launcher or make one. i assume one can't just buy one, so make one. just a simple barrel with compressed air and then either make or get some tear gas or other gas that is highly effective vs humans.
shoot one of those thru windshield (not hitting the driver) and wait for truck to pull over.
they already used their harpoon, so if they hit the driver, he'd most likely be dead, but shooting a tear gas grenade at driver would probably give him broken nose and/or concussion, but he'd be alive. so tear gas is more effective to begin with.
but even with their harpoon method, they had a pistol with tranq darts, why not use air powered pistol and some high-density rounds to break the SIDE window, then someone stands out of the sunroof like they did, but instead of playing tarzan, just shoot the driver with tranq dart.
there are so many other ways you could do this, but instead they play tarzan ... that's so stupid.
if i want to watch circus, i watch some circus documentary. they need to make better story and methods if they want to add action into movies.
turning something simple into complex "rocket science" is not fun nor entertaining, it's just stupid.




there's so much more bullshit that i can't bother writing more at this point, but trust me, there's a lot more, like shooting a grenade and making it explode, this doesn't happen in real either, mythbusters tested it aswell. if you hit a grenade with bullet, it won't cause gun powder to explode, in fact if you unpin a grenade and let go of the spoon, then shooting at grenade is a good idea, if you hit it and break it, then there's high chance that detonator will be seperated from the gun powder and there's no explosion at all (what they confirmed in mythbusters).
that hacking scene with "hot potato" was so laughable aswell. how they somehow magically tracking the car where signal is coming from and then throwing that hacker from car to car ... that was so lame.
only some 5yo kid could come up with that, i wouldn't be surprised if some writer let his 5yo write some fantasies into movies and ruin the movie completely.

speaking of hacking, if someone likes realistic hacking stuff, i suggest watching "mr robot". it's a tv series with one of the most realistic hacking scenes ever. they don't show everything for obvious reasons, but the bits they show, are very real. in fact mr robot is inspired on the anonymous content, they use real terms and real hacks that were used in real life.