Aliens vs Predator 2 - hacks / hacking / stuff

[siab]

Nice psychological projection mate, so far all you have done is misinterpret my context. Although you haven't tried to ban me for using non prose language against you so I have to give you props for that. The current joke of an AVP 2 community would whine and ban you if you merely called them prudish (which they are.) Since you're assisting now, I'll just cut the bullshit and get down to business. It seems that whoever modded the new master server has implemented a new way to check your info hash to see if things check out. However there also seems to be a weakness in this. The hash check only appears to apply to select addresses though. For example, veccing and free roam hacking are auto banned, however it can't detect an alien vision hack or aimbot. So perhaps it can't detect changes in certain minor values, but can detect a significant change in values if something really isn't supposed to be there, say, if I were to up the vectors. I assume by ammo hack bypass you mean that one technique you showed on Youtube, where you could change the knife ammo without actually changing the value? If so, I haven't gotten a chance to test that on MP because the master server has been down for a few days, but when it comes back up I can try. I bet it got ddosed because no one likes them lol. Although I did try changing vectors of the Pulse Rifle before it got shut down and it was detected by that memory hash checker. Also, if it does detect a hack it will ban you by GUID now, but I'll save that for another topic. I don't blame you for not wanting to return to this game. It is kind of shitty compared to AVP Classic, but this game still has a small and shitty community left, which beats no community for Classic. I remember you said you were the enemy of many clans back then. Were any of those clans SGC, TBBC, or DBH? Those three, in particular TBBC, are the main backbone of the home hosted servers today and they all seem like elitist and whiny douchebags. As I said before, all three of those clans will bitch about "hacks" that aren't even hacks.

[Sethioz]

I'm not a wimp like most, i don't ban ppl for their opinion, but there are limits. if it turns into spam and offtopic, that's different.

anyway, i see nothing's changed in avp2 community .. they were wimps back then and sounds like it's even worse now lol. I never understand those wimps who are like "OMFG SNIPER FAGGOT WTF GET SKILL WTF NOOB" or those who are like "WTF CAMPER PIECE OF SHIT FAGGOT WTF GET SKILL STOP CAMP WTF OMFG ARGH BAN"
.. i wonder which is worse, the one who camps or the one who keeps falling for it over and over and over and over and won't learn NOT TO GO THERE!

so they use some sort of hash check? i thought that was there since like ever.
if you know the barrel hack, where you can swap out the "barrel" of weapon. so knife looks like knife, but has barrel of a pistol and can shoot bullets.
There was one "barrel" that they did not check / block. i think it was alien claws or something. could have been runner. so if you changed to runner and did ammo hack, it still worked. i used that barrel and replaced something else and was still able to shoot ammo.

also i never heard anyone blocking vectors. and those checks ... do they happen every second? i mean, if you check these things every second, it gotta use lot of internet bandwidth just to check bunch of code every second.
This is the reason why 99.9% of games that have anti-hack, either scan for the OpCode changes and/or for file modifications and never check the memory changes, such as "if your ammo jumps from 20 to 90" but those things are simply server sided and changing in client has no effect.
but i never heard or seen anything that is able to check something like vectors.

you need to get hands on the source of the "patch" and see how and what it checks, easiest way to bypass. i'm sure if those communities have those patches, it should be easy enough to get a hold of them.

[siab]

Well I know some servers detect the standard Smartgun aimbot I believe by counting how many shots hit the torso, since that's where the aimbot always focuses on, and then auto bans as one example. Even though the master server patch is the base for all servers, depending on who hosts the server, it may be a bit more sophisticated. As for the patch, they keep their source code secret, but the patch notes just state there is more "thorough" anti cheat functionality. I'd go on the game and record exactly what they check, but their servers ARE STILL down. Lol... The makers of the new master server are also in the process of shitting out another server patch! So I wonder what will change now! Anyway when they finally get their shitty server fixed I'll go on and find out exactly what they check to autoban any hacks. I remember when I joined the serverwith no hacks and then changed the vectors while still on the server, it would then detect the change and depending on who hosts the server, either ban, or lock you in observe mode. It would say something like "info hash check failure"and display the memory address in question, but I can read exactly what it says later. So apparently it is constantly scanning for irregularities. Finally, this was a fairly new detection system that previous versions of their MS did not have.

[Sethioz]

change to someone who has shotgun, then change pistol vectors to what shotgun has, see if it detects that.

personally i think this game is too old, i don't know why ppl still play this shit .. probably they're some noobs with some jurassic PCs who can't play better games lol.

[siab]

I changed the PR vectors to match regular shotguns. Since it worked I am assuming when it comes to vision modes and weapons the game can't detect hacks if the same value is found elsewhere. However stuff like the free roam hack is banned even though you can find the value in game. When I am bored some day I'll try the barrel change technique just to see if it can be snuck past the hack detection.

[Sethioz]

oh so you can shoot like 10 bullets out of pistol as long as its same as some other weapon you own?
it is literally impossible to check everything, if server would check like 1000 or more addresses, it would have to "flood" you with packets, like 1000 or more packets every second and it would be extremely laggy, so i guess it can only do simple checks when you're changing weapons ..etc and make sure player is not using anything crazy.
sometimes server also forces the values, this is why in some games if you have infinite ammo, you end up shooting "ghost rounds" which on your side hit the target, but target takes no damage, because server knows your gun is empty and you can't make damage.

[voilence]

hello sethioz, iam a player of game avp 2010 for a long time and just love hacking, hacked avp2 and i almost watched all of your videos, now the main question is that can we hack avp 2010 auto targeting? it was possible in avp2 and i used to do it, i play this game a lot and i need this hack, so plz help me in this regard and plz help me that i have found a memory address to wallhack using sniper but when the checkpoint restarts than the game would just reset the memory and i couldnt just script it, so kindly please help me in this regard.

[siab]

Hey Sethioz are you familiar with the 2.0 stagger? I sometimes see players with the PR stagger and have insanely good damage, it can't be vecs as their banned. I believe it is a macro with a programmable mouse if I am not mistaken. I never really used a programmable mouse so do you know how it is done?

[Sethioz]

lol you can do stagger with any macro software (stagger / auto clicker)

[PinPoint]

lol... stagger. takes me back.

Came across this OLD video i uploaded of a weapon model demo. Think it was when the new master server came out after the game actually "ended", not sure. since this topic never seems to end, I thought id share it. And it was at the time when i had my "jurassic pc"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy1gWpbhKbM

IF vecs are actually banned, this could be it? just a thought though, minigun or SG model with pulse being used.

Would be funny to use wireframes and unlimited pounce again though. Might get avp2 again haha

[Sethioz]

haha i never knew of that video. i'm done with avp2 tho, if there would be lot of traffic, i would make ultimate trainer for it, but i think only like 100 ppl play it haha.

yeah wireframes was fun and i never released it, never will. don't remember if i gave it to you (PinPoint), but if i did, don't share :) let it be the forever secret.

[PinPoint]

yea its about that, not many people.

yea I got your table for it. I woudn't share it :) real invisibility would be worth something if more people played it though lol

[Sethioz]

i don't remember any of it, but im sure i had invisibility hack.

[PinPoint]

yea you did. only seen the gun with marines but aliens were totally invisible, could see red aura from pred vision though. still works as well.

a couple things have changed though from when the hacks were made. the pounce power is different now and the hack for no delay pouncing doesnt work with aliens, but I got it working by using marine and pred after giving them the ability to pounce. Its quite funny, you still get the alien noise when pouncing with marine or predator. Server must be forcing the delay with alien? that was my first thought.

Been banned from servers that get players now anyway, I used wireframe and crashed a few servers. must have seen the name and connected me with here haha. think its just an IP ban though or MAC ban. Going to look into later, should be able to bypass it.

EDIT:

actually, may be GUID ban, this is from the savior server patch notes

-caching of server list on the client side (contributed by AJL)
- advanced server information (list of players names, game settings etc.)
- sorting the list of servers by ping, server name, player count, map name
and game mode
- local ban mechanism, based on unique hardware ID
- server ban command (ex: ban 1, or ban Herr_Alien) to control
the local ban
- improved netcode. Controlled by a toggle server side option

[siab]

Was it a TBBC, or EU server? Those servers ban you by GUID. I was able to determine the ID that was assigned to me by sniffing packets, so try that. I haven't changed mine yet, but I'll probably get to it in time. I don't play the game overly frequently so it isn't a top priority, but if you change it soon, let us know!

[Sethioz]

almost 10 years has passed .. and those idiots have still not learned nothing. they still think that if they ban a hacker they instant win. ...or was it more like "they ban a hacker > they lose their server > they lose their clan site/forum > they lose their msn, skype ..etc > they start screaming and begging to get it back"

funny noobs haha.

anyway in order to bypass those patches, you need to host your own server with those patches and find out how those patches apply, what they check and how they check. if you know how it's patched, it should be easy to bypass.
i mean how does server know you are alien and can't bounce? how does server know you using your pistol and not shotgun? does server know because you press a button? if so, what does it check ..etc. If you can reverse engineer the method they use, you can bypass it, by hacking 2 things at same time.
1. the actual hack.
2. make server think you have no hack.

however it might just check, so that server knows you have 20 bullets for pistol and 10 for shotgun and shotgun can shoot only 1 shot per second and 5 vectors per second and anything above would just be ghost shots.
as far as i know, there's no such thing as "server sided". this is why none of the games bans you for changing values, because value changes can happen when you lag too. so there's no way for server to tell if it was lag or hack.

i've been hacking the crew recently and they patched some stuff, but more like hid it. also in tdu2 they patched money somehow, even in single player you can't change money, so there must be some sort of check.

now im actually interested in knowing how they patch such values from changing.

[siab]

I agree wholeheartedly Sethioz. Anyways I have an important update! We are being watched! I have been monitoring the AVP 2 forums today and one of the dumbass admins quoted some posts I made here and is trying to link them to a user on their forum. He's raging pretty bad because his petty secrets are being exposed and he's soiling his knickers in rage and fear if he made the effort to selectively quote posts on this site.

[PinPoint]

I'll quote a post I made in another topic:
"I keep stumbling upon this hacker who has almost godly firepower and accuracy with the pulse rifle. No matter what range I am at, he keeps nailing me with inhuman precision and overly lethal firepower. It also is undetected as of now by hack detectors. I know it can't be an aimbot, as those have a limited range and vecs to my knowledge are autobanned. I heard one player refer to it as "Super Stagger." Is this true, and if so how would you go about doing it?"

read back through the posts and may be have another answer. aimbot isnt limited by range. the smartgun one is but not the sadar. sadar crosshair value is 4.

it was TBBC servers im banned form as well.

going to look into getting back into them tonight at some point. they deserve a few crashes and locked servers ;)

[siab]

Nah the rocket aimbot takes a few seconds to acquire a target. I'm pretty sure it's the stagger glitch combined with a macro, primarily on a programmable mouse. I agree with you on their servers needing to be crashed. What a bunch of smug and prudish sacks of shit.

[siab]

The ammo switch hack is fun as hell. Anyways, anyone try speedhacking lately? When I am done screwing with ammo hacks, I'll try that some more.